Dank voor je beoordeling! I train every day on the stock wheels and tires that came with the bike. More sound coming off the chain then off the flywheel. I also looked at the second hand market, but those might have issues because they are earlier build models (2018, 2019). Of course it is. But this year is different. Budget trainer: The two options that I can recommend are as follows: Its like bikes themselves a lot of marketing hype. Note for 2020: Ive removed the BKool Smart Go from this list (previously $399USD), because the company sold off their trainer division late last year to a company called Zycle, which appears to be focusing purely on the Spanish market. I dont think about Wahoo Kickr or High-end Tacx because of price. In general, I try to separate user issues from product issues. Your experience serves as yet another example I have seen over these many years, where education is the solution. I know I am splitting hairs and each product has its own set of problems/potential problems. The NEO 2T is the only one theyve said it for (I suspect since it has added sensors in it). Kinetic Smart Control Road Machine 2018 Edition $569 Out of curiosity how about the Elite Drivo 2? I am going back and forth between previous power accuracy issues with the kickr and the overheating and bearing issues with the Neo 2T. However, the ugly truth is that the company who suffers most is put in the position of educating customers on major issues associated with functionality that are not the responsibility of the company. Ultimately, in all three of these trainers youre gonna be down to which nuanced feature matters the most to you. Plus tons more deals includingApple, Fitbit, Garmin, Google, GoPro, Samsung, Elite, Peloton, Tacx, Wahoo, DJI, Saris, and tons more! In response to the drive train set up, on the road it shifts beautifully and has been a delight. My bike shop recommended me dropping off my bike AND trainer so as to prevent this. These were a pain to fit, though, and once clamped tight were a pain to remove too (should you wish to change crank length). Wahoo Fitness is not liable for any damage or injury related to improper installation, modification, or misuse of hardware. Als upgrade van mijn Elite Direto de Wahoo Kickr gekocht. This is one of those issues. Hence why I use US pricing as the baseline. Thanks so much! My bet here would be if you grabbed those Assioma Duos again, and ideally let them bed-in for a ride first (the norm on Duos) then a calibration, that youd see them read slightly higher than your H3. First up, from the technology side, they reduced the noise. Can`t find the EU version of the Lasko Fan the link shows a us version with us power sockets (on Amazon UK). Wahoo argues that the Zwift Hub infringes on a number of patents utilized in Wahoos KICKR trainer series. As for sales, they tend to be about the 2nd week of November. Mostly cause Ive got an epic review about this trainer and itd be a failure to omit it somehow here. It proved very accurate in my tests, and passes all my other categories. The other one Id like to find is the Justo, seeing good reviews, but unless it was a great sale, think for me, Tacx is just a good option. For example with Tacx youve got the Flux S ($749) and Flux 2 ($899) both in the market. Some electrical components eventually wear out, but the frame is astoundingly sturdy. Oh, and you can sign-up for the newsletter here! I have been riding Saris Fluid trainers for 10+ years and finally taking the plunge and getting a smart trainer. Ahh yes, that desk is awesome. Tacx Flux 2: This originally came out two years ago, but my initial testing found ERG mode issues with accuracy being vastly off (10%+). All of which ignores the reality of MAP (Minimum Advertised Pricing), which exists in the US and doesnt exist in Europe. Hes also worked out that shaving your legs saves 8 watts, while testing aerodynamics in a wind tunnel. In a command prompt on Windows you can do the following to expand the PATH variable into separate lines using the following: @ ECHO.%PATH:;= & ECHO.% This is not unique to the PATH variable if you had semicolon separated paths in SOMEVAR you could do: @ ECHO.%SOMEVAR:;= & ECHO.% Sign up to get our latest products, top deals and inspiring stories straight to your inbox. Op die manier kunnen we jou beter voorzien van relevante informatie, The trainers work, and I use them, but they both knockparticularly at low cadence rpms. I know the Kick has a handle so is the best option, but since the Neo 2T can fold, is it really a pain to move it back and forth a few times a week? When i put the Chain on de bigger chainring in the front the trainer makes a very strange noise, it seems like every time i stroke the pedal down the chain makes a noise like it would be to tight. And, I suspect its darn near impossible to find. Keep in mind that I am 59, Ive upped my FTP to 251 using TR and I wasnt doing anything competitive when I was 56 either. I have to connect directly the trainer and start a virtual run on the fenix to get hrm data, is it right? Zero issues. This experience with my unit also gave him a heads up on the new bearing issue as well..so, I love the machine now and really enjoy what it is made for. I cannot see the Assioma report the left side lower than the right at any point. I have recently tested the InsideRide solution with the floating fork, and I found that super compelling. Its just SO SO SO good at ERG mode. Based on your specific reviews and comments therein it does seem that disc-brake caliper interferences are potential issues for the various trainers on some recent and not-so-old bikes and may become worse as frames change shape for aerodynamic performance. Heres the thing, dont overspend on this thats silly. Hi. This link [Pop-open a new window to see all 6 trainers here, including the 4iiii Fliiiight] is broken. Oja, de meegeleverde cassette is toch ook erg handy. In a perfect world, there would be close coordination between the tech support team and the team that produces the literature associated with proper setup of a new trainer. They all have about the same road feel (and each company will tell you their road feel is better). With Tacx having it on some but not all units, and Wahoo having it on no units (but all Wahoo and Tacx trainers support private Bluetooth Smart with all major apps anyway). Lasko High Velocity Pro-Performance Fan (U15617). Since many of Rouvys routes are +10% grade, this doesnt make sense to me. Unfortunately however, REI quietly added in a new line item to their sale exclusions in the last few months, which states that indoor trainers are no longer permitted on the sale. For more details on which apps are compatible with the KICKR, download our in-depth KICKR app comparison chart. Sure, the Wahoo CORE has more inertia and thus slightly better road-feel. Ray, do you think that the Kickr Core will see an update in 2022? You point out something of a bigger issue in my opinion. Pretty unacceptable I guess (despite COVID). Generally speaking Wahoo has announced all of their trainers at/around Eurobike for years (except one, the KICKR SNAP, which was two months prior). KICKR CORE seamlessly connects to the hardware devices and software platforms that make up the wahoo indoor cycling ecosystem to give you endless ways to get fitter and faster through training indoors. Experience the most realistic ride feel and responsive resistance whether doing structured workouts, riding virtual worlds or re-riding routes on your gps bike computer. But Im just saying it doesnt really fit in that upper category, and once you get into the mid category, its still a tough sell against the CORE, save for gradient to the point where I dont think 98% of people care. I realize that removing the caliper is a viable solution, but maybe not ideal. When in reality, there were no trainers from any company. Did you miss one, or is the TacX the only recommendation? Tag #KICKR or @wahoofitnessofficial to be featured. Did you try the instructions on the Zwift help page? Yup, youre in luck. Id agree, I think at this point, companies have had MORE than long enough to figure out how to safely operate customer service remotely (chat, phone, e-mail, etc). I just read that Saris does not make a Campagnolo freehub so my decision is a little easier now. All while giving you a fairly capable direct drive trainer. What I like to know the most is if you consider that still is better wait to buy that kind of product. Nope, definitely not a major issue. The main issue most companies are hesitant on is rider frame max weight tied into a stationary trainer. As unfortunate as it is, these types of issues (lack of education of proper setup) only hurt the trainer manufacturers. #1. When I buy a cassette do I have to match the one on my road bike exactly? should i wait for it? KICKR AXIS feet respond to rider tempo and body position changes with 5 of lateral side-to-side movement to make your indoor cycling feel more like riding outdoors. Both of them have been at trade shows or the like. So then its Kickr vs Neo 2T. Meer weten? Most of them kinda silently laugh at the fact that people actually buy expensive trainer tires. Hoewel de Elite Direto veel waar voor zijn geld biedt is deze Wahoo echt wel een stukje beter qua nauwkeurigheid en reactiesnelheid bij weerstandswisselingen. De geleverde cassette oogt erg goedkoop en heb ik er wel direct afgehaald. I any case, just order at a dealer that offers a full refund on return, so you can get rid of it if it doesnt meet your expectations. My Photography Gear: The Cameras and Equipment I Use Daily, DC Rainmaker 2021 swim, bike, run, and general gear list, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated November 23rd, 2021 @ 7:49 am, Wired or Wireless data transmission/control, Can electronically control resistance (i.e. In deze prijsklasse verwacht ik minimaal Shimano 105 kwaliteit. A relatively old model but a decent deal as far as I can tell (it normally goes for 300+). First is the low-slung frame profile, with a deep step-through thatsvery welcome when youre wobbling off the bike after a particularly intensive set of intervals. Just thought of something since the Core does not have adjustable legs, what wheel size is it optimized for? Now I know my ABCs for sure. The wheel-on design of KICKR SNAP makes it easy to turn your road, mountain, or TT bike into a powerful indoor bike trainer. As long as you use only one trainer/power meter source then all your numbers will be correct for YOU. At $949, the Elite Direto XR sits $50 more than the better road feel (and silent) Wahoo CORE at $899 (though, thatll require a ~$50 cassette) but still. Dont know if links work: link to wiggle.co.uk. I always ride like that. B) Removal of the 4iiii Fliiiight (previously by STAC): Last year this was on the list provisionally while I finished testing for my in-depth review. You say: At $949, the Elite Direto XR sits $50 more than the better road feel (and silent) Wahoo CORE at $899 (though, thatll require a ~$50 cassette) but still.. There are two particularly striking things about the Tacx NEO Bike Smart. Also: Maybe the chain is just rubbing against the front derailleur. You can find it at around 750. WARNING:This product can expose you to chemicalswhich areknown to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. I think the CORE is worth more than the Flux moreso for its road-feel and sound, than purely the 10% aspect. The delivery options available for shipping this product along with the contents of your basket to Italy are: We will happily refund any item purchased on Wiggle if returned to us within 365 days; excluding Wiggle gift vouchers, nutrition and customised products, except when faulty. Thoughts? Tom Marvin is a technical editor at BikeRadar.com and MBUK magazine. Now, if youre riding race wheels with expensive race tires youll have to balance the much higher cost of most race tires. Unfortunately theres no current US retailers selling the Zumo (meaning, none have elected to pick it up, largely due to the lower margins on the Zumo specifically). Hi Ray, thank you for all the great reviews they are super detailed and helpful. No need to perform routine spindowns, KICKR uses an automatic calibration process to continuously offer accurate and precise power without a manual process by the user. Thanks! Also, since my review last year, the price has skyrocketed from the usual $80 it had been for years.toummfar higher. When connected to your smartphone, tablet, computer or GPS bike computer, KICKR SNAP automatically sets your resistance to create a realistic ride feel to cycling outdoors. From some random reviews it seems to be in the same range as the Garmin for quietness. Maybe that will change when I get the power meters on the bike in the spring. Im thinking of getting a drive train trainer, probably the Wahoo Kickr CORE. The Tacx Flux S is fine and all, but the H3 is a much better trainer in numerous ways especially road feel. Check bike compatibility for more details. Which isnt to say the Direto XR is bad not at all (in fact, ERG mode was quite good). I dont have a beef with it, but I a little biot with Fabio on this one. So, I want to get a trainer in the hope that it will help me find my motivation again and lose weight. Hmmwill try and get that all sorted out. I mean, not normally, but when Stryd is trying to Tinder with everyone, I stick it in the microwave (dont turn it on), so other things cant pair anymore due to the faraday cage it is. By all means, if you understand the risk buy where it makes sense. Just be patient. Any thoughts?? Great article Ray. Great Article as always! Zwift is ook een absolute aanrader om gemotiveerd te blijven bij het binnen trainen Gedoe met kalibreren zijn verleden tijd, dit doet de Wahoo Kickr Power 5.0 volledig automatisch tijdens een training. Everyone likes good vibrations. The Descent Simulation feature keeps the virtual flywheel rotating as you descend during a ride but is only enabled when connected to an externalpower source. Im trying to decide between a wheel on vs mid range direct drive. I just checked and here it is. ? Hopefully you and/or others will get a chance after the holidays to check it out and see if it addresses the issues you mentioned. Never say never! KICKR DESK. Impossible to know the exact rate and compare. Both are on sale right now. So its actually really interesting. A bike that old probably has a screw on cassette, friction shifters, and a chain wider than is typical these days (like my old Fuji touring bike back then). Heres a bunch of random trip reports and daily trip-logs that Ive put together and posted. Not really sure that using a Shimano cassette with a Campy group would be a problem at all (if were talking about 11 speeds, not sure about 12). The handlebar itself has a relatively benign shape, being neither particularly shallow nor overly deep. However, its still lacking the true Cycling Dynamics metrics they initially promised (and even published an article about briefly back this past spring), stuff that Vector or Assioma would have in it. Its debatable. I havent done a side by side though with the Tuo vs Kinetic Smart Control to see which one has better road feel though. Two years later and it still amazes me that more people dont buy KICKR COREs over KICKRs. Is there a good tablet mount that works with tri aerobars? In fact, both the H1 and H2 trainers got that firmware update but it meant this was more accurate now. Hi! NEO 2T Trainer + Motion Plates + Trainermat + 6 Maanden Tacx premium, Snelspanner/ 142mm steekas / 148mm steekas, Er kunnen 3 bluetooth connectie tegelijkertijd gebruikt worden, Geschikt voor cassette: Shimano 11 speed (8, 9 en 10-speed met spacer), Compatibele apps: Zwift, trainerroad, Rouvy, Bkool, The Sufferfest, Kinomap en meer, Adapters voor steekassen 10x142mm en 15x148mm, iPhone 4S, iPad 3e gen, iPod touch 5e gen, of nieuwer, Android 4.3 of hoger en met Bluetooth Low Energy, Mac en Windows hebben ANT+ USB dongle nodig of Bluetooth Low Energy, E-bikes, single speed, baanfietsen en ligfietsen. All rights reserved. They tend to increase/decrease the dominancy, but not usually flip it the other way 10-12w per leg. How Does Your Personality Type Impact Goal Setting? My number one requirement is that I have ERG mode and number two is that the trainer measures my power since I dont have a power meter on any of my bikes. The dropout width is probably not a modern standard, either. My Tacx Neo 2T keeps on dying and Garmin keeps on replacing it but I am at a point where I am just like enough of this and was contemplating switching to a Wahoo Kickr V5 but may just end up with the same problems? App compatibility across virtually every larger-format screen you can think of, half a dozen themed apps with dozens of modules (courses) between them, and more alphabet games than there are letters. So its funny, I think it really depends on where you ask. Cheers! I thinking about Elite tuo or cheaper Tacx Flow smart. The trainer will be used in an old 1920s basement with a sloping cement and failrly uneven floor. It's a convenient, easy to set-up wheel-on smart trainer with the realistic ride experience Wahoo smart trainers are known for. The challenge though, as I noted in the article a few times is that EU pricing is mostly a mess. I live in a block of flats and ride usually around 8-9 PM after my small kids go to bed. I took a bit of time and re-examined the data. When Elite released the XR, it had some very minor shifts from the X the year before except a bump in specs (albeit, useful specs). On the fan recommendation Ive specifically tired the model 15617, but I havent tried the other ones. Integrated Cadence: Simplify your setup & workouts by providing accurate cadence directly from your trainer, without any need for external sensors. If you went back 3-5 years ago, only the most expensive trainers were direct drive and the rest wheel-on. But this probably is a generic problem. KICKR ROLLR revolutionizes the classic ride feel of bike rollers with controlled resistance, front stabilizers, and adjustability for a convenient, versatile, and natural-feeling indoor cycling experience. Deze Kickr is ook geschikt te maken voor 9-speed cassettes door de bijgeleverde spacer, je dient dan wel zelf een 9-speed cassette bij te bestellen. Tacxs NEO Bike Smart sits alongside the likes of the Wahoo Kickr Bike, Wattbike Atom andStagesBike, as a fully-featured indoor bike for those who are serious about their indoor training and have the space for such an item. This is a very interesting learning. I intend to borrow Duos again to generate a file for the replacement H3 and would love to hear what you think but Im taking a couple of weeks off at the moment. Note that as one might expect theres been very few trainer announcements this year, and those that have occurred have been incredibly minor updates. Any help on getting this set up to work with Zwift would be greatly appreciated. THRU AXLE COMPATIBLE: The KICKR features 12x142 and 12x148 thru axle compatibility in addition to standard 130/135mm quick release. Like CompuTrainer, theyre out of business. I searched through the comments and i may have just overlooked. While the power levels seemed to average out reasonably well, the constant on-screen messaging was off-putting and frustrating. Thankfully, Saris did a bunch of work to dramatically reduce that noise with the H3. These days in 2020 virtually all trainers handle thru-axle compatibility just fine. It was basically the only trainer released in 2021, but it manages to make the trainer recommendation list because it definitely deserves it. Tacx has included a brake system in the bike to help, in theory, with gamification on apps such as Zwift. BTLE enabled or pair with an ANT+ dongle. Finally, for indoor bikes I might do a separate shoot-out guide on those, if theres interest. No need to perform routine spindowns, KICKR uses an automatic calibration process to continuously offer accurate and precise power without a manual process by the user. Im in the US. Im considering the following Indeed, and you can also use REI links to support the site. Considering that many of these cases end up with tech support, I think it would be in the best interest of all involved (not to mention the trainer makers) to make sure this issue is clearly stated and addressed. I received a reply from Wahoo this morning on a number of questions including the accuracy issue at low flywheel speeds for the new Kickr v 5. Soyouve gotta compete on price. And in some ways, these companies are slicing and dicing really thinly. For example a Wahoo KICKR has a weight around 260lbs. A year and a half later (this past May) it broke down. Enjoy, and thanks for stopping by! Amazon does automatic translation, but sometimes it doesnt work quite right. That might explain the leg design of the tacx trainer. Generally speaking pretty interchangeable. Heb je internet nodig om met deze trainer doeltreffend te kunnen trainen? I probably is louder than Kickr Core, but the price difference is quite big, liquid-life.de One of the most popular trainer fans out there, rivaling the Wahoo Headwind fan in strength but at a fraction of the price. Not even close to where it needs to be. However, it sounds as if the customer service for Tacx has gone to hell (I understand it was very good prior to the Garmin acquisition, but Garmin wiped out the team in the Netherlands who provided support before). Moving along to the entire group, there are also very minor differences in how you mount your bike to each one in terms of the clasp/lever, but thats too a wash. About the only notable difference here is that the Saris Magnus/M2 has a nifty resistance knob that makes it easy to ensure your bike is at the same resistance setting each time. Indeed, its super tough finding something in stock at the moment. As always, WONDERFUL reviews, and I will be supporting your site with $. Everyone has their approach. This leads to some chain noise, etc. We shall see what happens . I just picked one up on Mercari. Finally, the last thing they did was reduce the price down to $999. Would you actually recommend Flux S instead for similar price (if sticking with Garmin)? Meaning, someone looking to spend $599 is probably OK spending $699, and someone teetering at $529 might be OK spending that $699 too if the benefits make sense. Hiervoor had ik een eenvoudige trainer met een weerstandsband die tegen je achterwiel drukt en je handmatig lichter of zwaarder moet zetten. I aim to leave no stone unturned. Alan, Does already exist home trainer for e-bikes? A lot of noise / complaints about Garmin Tacx since lately and many Neo fans are recommending their friends to purchase a Kickr based on customer support and warranty policies. Which one would you go with/why? They website still shows the number and hours, maybe you can try calling. #KICKR@wahoofitnessofficial, 2022 Wahoo Fitness. More information on Wiggle's return policy, Rear Hub Compatibility: 130/135mm QR, 12x142mm, and 12x148mm Thru Axle, Rear Wheel Size: 24" RD / 24" MTB / 650c RD / 26" MTB / 700c RD / 650b MTB / 29" MTB, Third-Party App Compatible:Yes: Zwift, TrainerRoad and other KICKR approved third-party apps, Mobile Compatibility: Apple, Android, Windows, Accessory Compatibility: KICKR Climb, KICKR Desk, KICKR Headwind, KICKR Mat, Supplied with UK 3 pin and EU 2 pin power adaptor. If you had to decide today, which of these 2 would you purchase? Is there a big difference between the cassette you have on the bike vs. the cassette that is on the Suito? But thats compatible with all trainers, Saris and non-Saris alike. Yesterday i was thinking about Wahoo Kickr Core and future upgrade of Wahoo Kickr Climb. Trying to recall from prior years, when do the sales typically kick in? I wouldnt expect anything new there till probably next summer or so. Technically speaking though, some manufacturers refer to anything that broadcasts data as a smart trainer, whereas trainers that also change resistance are interactive trainers. This presentation of data right in front of you means that, should you wish, one could train without connecting the bike to any other devices with its ability to run off its own steam (without being plugged in) you could effectively train off-grid! You'll support the site, and get ad-free DCR! I started on a Snap back when first released and now use an H3. My Windows 10 laptop still has not received the updated home screen even after this latest update. For nearly a decade my trainer recommendations guide has been a staple of this time of year, consolidating all the latest trainers into the do and dont buy list to consider before spending some hard-earned cash to then suffer inside. I have visibly reduced muscle mass on my right calf to match. The manufacturers are more focused on the newer equipment to sell you than offering options to keep the older options alive. Though, its not clear to what extent theyre actively shipping units. While the NEO 2T did have some initial accuracy issues when it was first announced, those were largely resolved in subsequent firmware updates to my satisfaction. But otherwise, its basically the same trainer as before in the KICKR 2018. I suspect that dynamics is only available in this app. There are minor nuances between these trainers, for which youll want to look at closely, depending on your needs. I like my front wheel to stay put and not aimlessly wiggle around. Which means youre within a few Starbucks visits of the $799 that is the Elite Suito a more powerful trainer with better road-like feel that includes the cassette pre-installed. Theres no reason to look elsewhere for a budget wheel-on trainer. Hi Ray, These have a textured finish, but because they are positioned close to each other and have very little difference in actual finger-feel, and very faint haptic feedback, the shifters were some of the most frustrating Ive used on an indoor bike. You get a direct drive trainer that requires zero assembly pull it straight out of the box, plug it in, and youre riding. Id like to buy a budget/mid range trainer for my Mountain Bike not worried about the accuracy (as for fitness & Zwift fun) or noise of the tyres but more whether theyd fit / work with MTB tyres, difficult to find good articles for MTBs. This one works for me and has me less stressed. However, what caught my eye is that your left-side is measuring a fair bit lower than Id expect (on Favero Duos) but in particular, thats oddly flipped on your Giant (where your right side is measuring a fair bit lower). Great guide (as usual) agree with your comments on the Tacx Neo I use mine with TrainerRoad and always know it locks onto workouts in ERG mode and is ultra accurate. Rather, I found it harder than usual to maintain a stable power/cadence using the Tacx bike compared to the Wattbike Atom and Wahoo Kickr Bike, which were tested alongside the NEO. KICKR ROLLR was designed from the ground up to minimize the pain points of setting up your bike on the trainer. Bedankt voor je vraag! Connecting the bike to my various other devices laptops (Apple), phones (Android), smartwatches and Garmin computers was a quick and simple affair. Please contactyour local Wahoo dealerorWahoo Customer Supportfor updated adapters. KICKR's 16lb high-inertia flywheel uses progressive algorithms to better replicate the sensation of riding outdoors on an indoor bike trainer. #2. About the only time I tend to see it is when a user or shop has incorrectly installed the spacer (such as including one on the bike, but not on the trainer, or vice versa). As noted above, its likely because I havent used it. Heads up: Theres a huge sale on the Wahoo KICKR Bike V1 that cuts $1,200 off the price, down to $2,279.This is a very solid deal, especially since the just-announced V2 bike is even more expensive now ($3,999). With multiple modes, platforms and devices to choose from, take control of your training to achieve your goals. If youre in the UK/EU, youll get the correct one when you click on it automatically. Maybe there should be a recall. Its basically just an estimate using assumptions and an algorithm based on the crank speed as it passes past the frame where theres sensors instead. KICKR power and precision in a simple and stable design, makes KICKR CORE the essential smart bike trainer, offering a realistic, connected and quiet indoor cycling experience. I have a top-end MTB, but dont fancy the wear and tear using it with trainer, but I do have a singlespeed track bike that I could rig up with a track tyre and use. I feel pushed towards the NEO because its a tier above, and I see that its your go-to. Further, initial assembly is accomplished in about 2 minutes flat and without any instructions needed: insert two bolts to secure the smart power unit to the leg sub-assembly, tighten with the included hex wrench done. Je bent succesvol aangemeld voor onze nieuwsbrief. Im from out of the country and will be visiting the US, whats the best triathlon shop in city XYZ? Hmm, I havent heard any noises/issues specifically with that, Id reach out to Wahoo support. The DD is just better all around for me. I have just sent one back because the Power Cable connection is faulty and stops in the middle of a ride. $899.99. I can only connect to the trainer as one composite device. Beware if youre looking at an older unit (like 3+ years old), as many of these didnt support thru-axle natively, or even at all. Unfortunately I have not as I dont have any power meters on the bike yet (coming next year). Meaning, the variations in customer service tend to be driven mostly on where youre located. I do not expect any further/new mainstream trainers until next summer. If one isnt price sensitive, Id be looking at the KICKR full, or Tacx NEO 2T (which sounds like is out for compatibility for you). And while one might think you can just look at a past similar trainer, my testing has shown thats rarely the case (and in fact, we see very specific examples of that this year with the KICKR 2020 and ATOM 2020 being different in the accuracy realms). Schrijf net als vele andere klanten een beoordeling en maak kans! I suspect thats just a typo, theres only one KICKR Core. Still, on the off-chance you do have some choice on what you buy then this guide is here to help you pick the right trainer. Elite already closed my ticket, without waiting for me to receive the board, or see if the issue was resolved, just close without notifying the customer, first thing you learn NOT to do on customer service, I was wondering if I got triple bad luck (1 bad board, follow by another bad board, with an added bad customer service representative), or if this is the way usually Elite treat their clients, and thats how unreliable their products are, At this point I wondering what are my options for returning it and getting my money back. So each company did their own thing. Gives developers access to private Wahoo Bluetooth Smart control, no proper FTMS support yet. Osta nyt verkossa apple.comista. Kinetic suggests the problem is Rouvy. Sadly , that trainer cannot be shipped to the store for free like the Core. WebShop KICKR indoor bicycle trainers, Windows PC: Bluetooth enabled or pair with ANT+ dongle; KICKR CORE SMART TRAINER. Hi Ray, Whats your recommendation on a smart trainer to use with Sram AXS 12 speed, I am using a Wahoo Core with the sram adapter and still getting a grinding even after adjusting the rear derailer. The Q-factor of 147mm caused me no issues, though. Looking at that data set, the H3 is slightly lower than the Assioma/Giant for your steady-state portions. Please Note: This trainer is supplied with a UK 3 pin and EU 2 pin power adaptor, KICKR COREHex Tool1.8mm SpacerDrive Side Adapter for 130mm and 135mm Quick ReleaseReversible hub spacer for 130mm and 135mm Quick ReleaseDrive Side Adapter for 12x142 and 12x148 Thru AxleReversible hub spacer for Thru AxleAC Power Adapter (UK plug)Quick Release Skewer. Thanks for the tip. Noise is one of my primary concerns, as my apartment doesnt have the best soundproofing and dont want to bother the neighbors. Lastly, this is the one category I dont have a ton of riding time on either of those units. Read more, The Importance of Strength Training as We Age Read more, Ask the Experts: Best Nutrition for Race Day Performance Read more, How To Use Positive Self-Talk To Boost Performance Read more, Breakfast with Boz: Tour de France Femmes Listen, TKP: A Brief History of Women's Bike Racing Listen, Breakfast with Boz: Gravel Event Tips & Tricks Listen, TKP: Why Winning Sprints Takes (much) more than Sprinting Listen. They certainly fall well behind that of the incredibly realistic shifters found on Wahoos Kickr Bike. Id go KICKR CORE for that price. Its just that if Im standing in front of both of them at their list prices, Im gonna grab the KICKR CORE every time. Im looking for a direct drive trainer and I was almost convinced on buying the Tacx Flux S. however, Im concerned the 10% incline max. I would like to support DCR and enjoy ad-free DC Rainmaker ($20 per year). After installing the board, the issue is still there (only after 15 minutes of ride on the new board) It is, of course, an entirely simulated feel. Amazing guide as always. Plus, Delaware has not taxes so it cost me $719. The bike is supported by four legs, and the two rear legs have wheels fitted to aid in moving the bike around. Awful software support and ERG mode is completely buggy. Our line of indoor bike trainers offer something for every level of cyclist to achieve their goals. With that in mind, here are your lower-priced options: Elite Zumo $699 (if youre looking for direct drive at this price bucket) Then hit up Wiggle at the link below! Microwave trick works! The connectivity and controlled resistance of an indoor bike trainer provides the most power over your riding. Theres once again been almost no appreciable shift in this category this year, so things stay basically the same as last year. $79.99. Tijdens onze werktijden, maandag tot en met vrijdag 8:1519:00 uur en zaterdag en zondag 12:00-17:00 uur, ontvang je hierop binnen 3 uur een reactie. As such, the precise location of a cassette (essentially the final left-right location) dictates when there may or may not need to be a rear derailleur alignment adjustment made. However, they didnt provide enough cooling and are simply too small (or I run too hot!). Indoor smart bike trainers have dual band connectivity that allows you to pair it to a software training app or GPS device to automatically control the resistance. I just dont have to think about it. As I am semi retired, the hours and number of bike shops I had to visit, the hours on line and with the attentive folks at Garmin/Tacx really made this experience unpleasant. Comment: Based upon your review of the Elite Zumo a couple seasons ago, I ordered it from Clever Training. Nope, actually, not at all. Ok, if money was not an issue and you were buying TODAY, which would you selectSaris H3 or Neo 2T? Theres plenty of good reasons to buy a KICKR over a NEO, but Im honestly not sure those above are those reasons. While increased gradient support is handy, and also useful in lower-speed situations, most people keep the Zwift defaults which half your gradient anyway (10% becomes 5%, etc..). Failing that does anyone have any experience of maintaining out-of-warranty trainers ? Does that hold or were there more confirming reports of issues? The smaller the base of the trainer, the more likely it is to tip over (and you along with it). KICKR ROLLR revolutionizes the classic ride feel of bike rollers with controlled resistance, front stabilizers, and adjustability for a convenient, versatile, and natural-feeling indoor cycling experience. A radically simplified multisport GPS sports watch that delivers a seamless performance advantage. The only exception would be that if youre a big TrainerRoad user, then Id go Saris H3. 60 is long enough for the trainer and bike. They work great under my 3.5 spinning rust external HDD, no more desk hum! At all. Im looking to upgrade from my Elite Tuo wheel-on trainer. De Wahoo Kickr Power v5.0 is eenvoudig te installeren en gebruiken. Thanks for this guide ! I think the old keep it simple thought process applies here. Looking for the equipment I use day-to-day? Have no idea how it performs reviews seem strangely rare. The bar has a pair of brake levers with integrated shifters, which are fairly bulky items to hold certainly compared to some svelte offerings you may find on an outdoor bike. I though that probably there are some interference issues, so switch everything off, left only Fenix6 still no luck, no power (neither via ANT nor via BT). So for less powerfull riders the flow is good and cheap, but for powerfull riders its not good. Definitely but I was curious about the Vacmaster and wondering whether or not the one I found on amazon.de was the right one . Maximize every training session with power tracking to +/- 1% accuracy. I think ultimately, if you want silence, go CORE. Period. My bicycle has sat for years unused because my life became more sedentary. Huge savings and constantly updated, all here. My E-Training manages and displays power, cadence, heart rate, speed, time and distance data. The self powered option of the Neo2T is also super nice for fitting. And similarly, the Vortex Smart is at $520, but spec-wise it just doesnt compete with the others above from a simulation of incline or accuracy standpoint. But keep in mind, having a power meter in it doesnt really matter. This seems suspiciously cheap. Looks like the Smart Neo 2T shopping links are dead. The bike weighs around 50kg, so is on the heavier end of the scale, and, as such, building the bike (effectively putting the legs on, as well as the saddle/bar assembly) is a two-person job, ideally. I travel a fair bit, both for work and for fun. A TrainerRoad forum user shared this model in the UK, that also offers a discount. Does it make a difference when you have the chain sound anyways? Said differently, you can justify to your significant other that youre saving $300. The same goes for apps like Zwift, TrainerRoad, or Rouvy. It sounds like they were concerned about where it stood, before then. WebOsta Applen lisvarusteita Apple Watchille, iPhonelle, iPadille, iPodille ja Macille. Still have a few questions tho. Any suggestions for a heavier rider (63 255lbs)? It only helps to reduce customer service costs, and it reduces the negative comments associated with customers thinking this is a trainer issue. Adding this product will remove the product you added to the list first. Even as an adult I could sit on the bike and it didnt feel like it was going to fall apart. Hello Ray, Any other major differences I should consider? I purchased a Neo 2T six weeks ago and am on my second exchange unit. Still, I have swept through and added or removed some trainers for various noted reasons, as well as retested trainers where applicable. I dont think it deserve this treatment even if it s mentioned in the loser list, For 1300 (official tacx price so i only have to add 450) i can buythe cobblestone simulator . JavaScript JavaScript, ELEMNT BOLT, ELEMNT ROAM, GPS, SPEEDPLAY, Wahoo X21. I know magazines love to, but I dont. I feel like a lot of people are having quality issues. Specifically that the KICKR V5 has an issue with low flywheel speed and accuracy. My Tacx Blue Matic gives me just as good a work out as the Elite drive I used to use at the gym. I could put 10 well-respected cycling journalists in a room and blindfold them and ride both trainers and theyd likely even have differing opinions ride to ride. But ultimately, this year its hard to make that cut unless you fall in a very specific requirements range. - Dimensions (legs open):29" x 26" (74cm x 66cm)- Weight: 38lbs- Rear Wheel size: 650c RD / 26" MTB / 700c RD / 650b MTB / 29" MTB- Hub Types: 130mm and 135mm Quick Release and12x142 Thru-Axle with adapter(sold separately).- Warning:Due to variations in thru axle dropouts, it is not possible to guarantee compatibility with all 12x142 bicycles. Wahoo, Saris, (once CycleOps), Tacx, Elite, Kinetic, etc Most of these companies now support the ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart standard versions, but some of them also support their older variants to help out older apps. After reading the full article im a bit lost since we have some different prices over here in europe. On the software side, I actually quite like the latest Tacx Training version which is now totally free and has plenty of movie and GPS trainings. Or there really hasnt been much change this year and we can just look at the individual ones / use the compare option? The KICKR SNAP includes LED lights for connection status, third party power meter support, and the power measurement is now accurate up to +/-3%.- Designed for consistent power measurement of up to 1500W and accuracy of +/- 3% so that you can monitor and adjust your intensity.- Visual confirmation that KICKR SNAP is powered, connected and transmitting via Bluetooth Smart and/or ANT+- Wahoo's KICKR CLIMB indoor grade simulator was designed in conjunction with the KICKR smart trainers to deliver an unmatched indoor training experience when combined.- KICKR HEADWIND was designed to deliver innovative climate control to your indoor training experience.- ANT+ and Bluetooth capabilities allow it to connect to both smartphones and GPS devices simultaneously or separately. And then bring them back when stock comes back. 42% off on Wahoo trainers including Kickr Bike, Kickr Core, Kickr Power & Kick Snap. High-End $999+: These are the high-end trainers, and primarily distinguish themselves from the mid-range by increasing durability, reducing noise, increasing road-like feel, incline/wattage increases, or just being expensive for the heck of it (i.e., legacy branding/marketing). Windows PCs. This thing is awesome. KICKR SNAP. Cheers, I made the decision to go with the Neo 2T. I feel like the Saris H3 is the little trainer that could. As always, there may be edge cases for things, but my goal here isnt to make every brand happy with including every unit. After all neither the Tacx NEO nor the Wahoo KICKR series have power meters in them (in fact, Wahoo even ditched the power meter in theirs years ago due to accuracy issues). Its as simple as that. Almost all trainer companies now broadcast dual on both protocols concurrently. The wheel on trainer is easier to accommodate differences but you probably would be best off with a trainer tire and not ruin a good tire. Do I look like an Instagram supermodel? As JB noted though, the Flow is a less powerful trainer, so keep that in mind. While the upper-mid tier of trainers gets closer and closer to these units in specs, the distinguishing aspects of the high-end trainers tends to be road feel and resistance ceilings (and to a lesser extent these days, accuracy which is equal/better than +/- 1%). Eliminating the cost factor, what has your long term testing found from quality, durability and enjoyment? I would still appreciate some feedback on following questions, which will help me decide on the trainer to pick up fir my girlfriend for her upcoming birthday. But lets be honest, that aint happening anytime soon again in the current environment. Part of the value prop is the included front wheel riser that, uniquely, doubles as part of the storage system: it clips onto the trainer when not in use and has a built-in handle for carrying the whole unit, with the legs folded up. Bluetooth Smart Broadcast: Power, Speed, Cadence. At least Im getting left-right balance etc from the device. I find the Wahoo KICKR in that same camp. There's no better bang for your buck in getting Zwift (or FulGaz/etc) on your big screen TV than Apple TV - it's the primary way I Zwift. What are your thoughs on the Xplova NOZA ? Mind you, if youre a lighter rider or just do ERG mode then absolutely go forth and enjoy all the magnety awesomeness. About the only downside would be the global availability its mostly restricted to the US/Canada unless you can find an importer. In many cases, Ive detailed out longer answers in posts related to those products. DC Rainmaker 2021 swim, bike, run, and general gear list. WebXAND ANT+ Dongle voor slechts 37.95 Met de XAND ANT USB Adapter kun jij voortaan zorgeloos genieten van je binnentraining! Its noisy when going downhill in Zwift (like coming off the Epic KOM in Watopia) but pretty good everywhere else. Hi Ray, thank you for your recommendations! So good I just bought another one as my wife wants to train next to me this winter, and the new one is indistinguishable from the 7 year old one, despite many 10,000s of miles of training. Explore Trainer Accessories GPS Devices, iOS, Android, and PC (Mac and Windows) Yes; Yes, via Wahoo Fitness App; Yes; Yes (-5 to 50 C) IPX7; Yes; Single; Estimated; The Apple TV remote sucks though. Plus there are smart trainers here, all in these guides cover almost every category of sports gadgets out there. Would it be worth including some thoughts on that? Great info, and I have contributed $very much value your reviews. Disclaimer: Because of the wide variety of bicycle makes and models, it is not possible for Wahoo to guarantee the KICKRs compatibility with all bicycles matching these parameters. What triathlete cave wouldnt be complete without this? I wonder if this is because one of the parts affecting the shortage is the cassette itself. Neither the Flux S or Elite Suito is silent in the same way the CORE is. Elke week belonen wij de vier beste beoordelingen met een FuturumShop waardebon t.w.v 25.00. Thanks a lot. A bike trainer is a device you can connect your bicycle to enabling you to ride indoors. Niet te groot, makkelijk pootjes inklappen en bovendien erg stil bij gebruik. The bikes monocoque design makes it one of the tidiest looking indoor bikes on the market, yet it still comes with all the features necessary for training. It would feel like the trainer slipped for a fraction of a second. The problem would start when you get your new bike power meter and try to hold threshold power out on a ride and realise that most mortals are in the mid 200s low 300 watts. Its had left/right balance since the start. With the Suito you get the cassette pre-installed on the trainer (they then continued this concept in 2020 with the Direto XR). Just wanted to let you know. In fact, there are some awesome trainers in here. mijn koga fiets heeft 3 tandwielen voor en 9 achter gaat dit en kan dit gemonteerd geleverd worden. But a mismatch is not a surprise and should be known how to handle it. My preference is overwhelmingly direct-drive, but I also totally get that such a trainer may be out of the ballpark of ones budget. I really appreciate your message. On the NEO 2T you get two digits within the power phase, but its actually not the power phase data, its just the left/right data shown on that page in the power phase section (whereas you should also get a graphical loopy thing shown too). I didnt want to risk getting a new Power Connector as the reviews on that reflected the same problem occurring, and it just seems like crap design on an 849.00 trainer. Also, what was your main issue? Smash your goals and compete with others around the world. It may be useful to offer a measure of the customer service level from trainer companies. The 800 Watt max of the Flow sucks for sprint workouts but Ive never had it overheat and turn off on longer climbs at high wattage. Have you a found way round the idiotic minimum wheel size that Polar has on their watches? This is by far the best value in trainer desks, at only $59, but with most of the features of the higher end features. Hello Ray, The bad news is Im going to have to give it back in a few weeks and replace it with something less expensive. With regards to direct drive trainers, there was no mention on re-indexing or readjusting rear derailleur limit screws or when swapping your bike from trainer to on road. Others have reported similar results with the KICKR V5. Sadly, its cases like this that bring these to light, and hopefully help others that read it, to learn that the issue exists and how to address it. Hello Ray, what would you go for, a flux 2 or an elite Direto XR if the pricing is the same for both! There are 3 models, each at a different price (50, 60, and 70 U$). If you take that away from this section, then youre mistaken. Pre-Garmin, if you were a US consumer or shop, you had to go via the Tacx distributor for everything. I was on a verge on sending trainer back to retailer, but I came with one last idea Stryd footpod. Etsi tuotemallistojen mukaan tai selaa kategorioittain. The extra 150eur for the kickr seems like a lot for just one things which is less noice? In any event, Elite even saves you $5-$10 by tossing in a front wheel riser. Thank you for helping us improve our site. Keep in mind that I am 56 and not doing anything competitive for riding. Point being, this category is more about hand-me-downs from the top-end units than new offerings. I dont have one at this point, so cant say unfortunately. However, just saw a video that states many unit failures and very poor customer service from Garmin. I have built an extensive list of my most frequently asked questions. It leads to your issue, where people are completely unaware that misalignment is an actual possibility in the first place. Just picked up a Neo 2T, I think that it now has the cycling dynamics in it now. Thanks for the information you give really helpful and well structured. Sure, a few complaints here or there pop into my inbox but no more than any other trainer/brand. What about that desk you use on the trainer? This desk is both a knock-off of the original KICKR Desk, but yet also better than it. Note: Branding varies by country, exact same desk. The trainer was perfectly fine and never the issue. Other than putting the bike extra high and needing some blocks under the front wheel Im hoping it works well. I dont have a ton of experience on rollers unfortunately. I am like the Girl and not a fan of taking the wheel on and off with only one road bike. my weekly podcast - with GPLAMA, which is packed with both gadget and non-gadget goodness! Dual-sided power meter pedals that deliver accurate power and cadence data, built on the race-proven SPEEDPLAY platform. Further, when you step back and look at the total cost of triathlon or cycling, and the total cost of simply getting a new tire each year due to wear the new tire is pretty low (between $30-45). But let me be clear there are TONS of trainers out there for less than $450 that dont have any smart electronic gadgets in them and work just great. And Elite has the Zumo ($699), Suito ($799), and Direto XR ($949). wahoo core without casette 799. Honoured to hear from you! Or, if you can somehow find a non 2T NEO you might be able to split the difference. That was a great disappointment. Hey Ray! Or, should we be looking at a different model for our needs? ;-). I use an Assioma uno with a 10+ year old Tacx Flow for zwift and as ive started doing a few races lately im considering a more robust setup. But again, minor differences one way or another. Calibration isnt required, and Tacx claims a <1 per cent accuracy of power data and I have no reason to doubt this. Your email address will not be published. Thats super tough. The Elite Suito should be $799, if youre seeing $899, that simply means a retailer is marking up the price for extra profit. Privacy Policy De weerstandsaanpassing verloopt soepel. You are inspiration for me. Or am I wrong about that? Went back, powered trainer power was instantly transmitted. Just got an email from one of the local bike shops. KICKR SNAP features a 10.5lb flywheel engineered to provide riders with the precise inertia needed to recreate an outdoor ride feel while training on a wheel-on bike trainer. However, the NL site is unfortunately the only one that doesnt have it listed*. Kinda neat. Omdat er een nieuwe versie de Wahoo Kickr op de markt is kon ik deze trainer met forse korting kopen. You probably stumbled upon here looking for a review of a sports gadget. Minoura: ANT+ FE-C and Bluetooth Smart FTMS on all 2020 smart trainers. WOW! Does one miss a lot from having the gradient simulation limited to 15%? Nonetheless, heres where things stand. Assuming you have even a half-way clean drivetrain (my usual state, never pristine), then its a pretty massive difference. Really appreciate the posts, all! Sitting at $150 cheaper than the CORE at $749, the Flux S is basically just the 2016/2017/2018 Flux 1 with a bunch of internal changes and support for longer derailleur cages. Sign in to manage your newsletter preferences. Why havent you yet released a review for XYZ product you mentioned months ago? So shouldnt be an issue. Its the quietest of the three, and has better BLE connectivity. If you are both proficient in removing/installing the rear wheel and have the same number of cogs, the DD is, IMO, the way to go. Once youre set up, the Utility app isnt needed very much, but can be used to add additional sensors (such as a new heart-rate strap), and diagnose connectivity faults I didnt experience any during testing. Because of the actual COVID delivery situation, I have 3 options: Elite suito 599 Hi, Im planning on buying the Wahoo Kickr Core, but its sold out pretty much everywhere (Im from Belgium). They wish it would. Honestly, this year for affiliate clicks it doesnt matter too muchthings have unfortunately been out of stock since February. Includes 11 speed 11-28 Shimano/SRAM Cassette. So it makes sense there will be a charge for cycling applications. Your recommendation is the $70 one. I generally dont recommend products that dont have a sustainable support path. And at this point, I think it is. Trainer was not transmitting power to my Fenix 6, nor to Zwift, nor Elite App. Later on Garmin Connect, itll only show the let/right power balance. I asked a long time ago, but hadnt heard anything. I know a lot of folks will want some sort of concrete answer on which of the aforementioned trainers to pick, but the reality is that they are just so darn similar. Im looking to try and get the latest one, though distribution is frankly still the main issue here. Said differently while there are nuances to each companys support in a given region, for the most part I wouldnt let it be a major factor in 2020 between the brands. WebAs you pedal information from smart trainer, power meter, or speed sensor is picked up and your in app character begins to move. The popularity of indoor cycling has increased significantly since 2012. Why on earth the NEO doesnt include a cassette is (still!) (by the way what do you call a fish with no eyes? Heres a handy table of everything mentioned above that I have a review on. Its true there have been issues with Neos and grinding over time. Nu 2 weken in mijn bezit en ben zeer verrast door deze trainer. This is done for the following on trainers: ANT+ Broadcast: Power, Speed, Cadence I am located in Germany, so we have a lot of different prices for every single shop. So, I purchased and have to go pick up my Tacx Neo 2T. But again, most people use the term smart trainer more broadly. Dus eigenlijk bedoel ik of er software is bijgeleverd die ik via mijn laptop( Windows 10)kan installeren ? Now youll notice the dollar signs, which in this case is implying US pricing. Dies ist bei mir auf einem Windows 10- Laptop Are you thinking of doing all article of the best software/apps for self-recorded video routes? Search by Product Product Manuals Product Warranty Submit a Ticket App-Enabled IN EUROPE? Unfortunately, my watch, my trainer, bike computer, everything is Garmin haha! Just wondering if the trainer will keep me safe. You are completely correct in your 1st paragraph and I hope that I had made those points clear in my comments. Or, how can I see if my trainer is accurate? The wheel-on design of KICKR SNAP makes it easy to turn your road, mountain, or TT bike into a powerful indoor bike trainer. Considering the Neo 2T, Kickr/Kickr Core, you really cant go wrong unless fit becomes an issue. Be aware the flow has a limit, if too much power output for some time for example the Alpe on Zwift it just stops and needs to cool down. With a very smooth feel through the cranks, thanks to that direct-drive system and fairly quiet operation (only slightly louder than the Wahoo Kickr Bike by my measurements), the NEO Bike is relatively unobtrusive to ride. Oh and a good tip if possible i would recommend you to get this article out at least a month earlier as people have already started indoor training etc. In any event none of your points account for the inconsistency from the H3 that comes with gear selection and target power. Still, I think that, should we get serious about this kind of pain, Id seriously consider a fixed smart bike. One question: is the Elite Tuo the only trainer that supports 12x148mm boost wheels without having to buy additional adapters? It would be great if trainer makers would at least address the fact that the possibility for misalignment exists. WebThe Wahoo KICKR provides the ultimate indoor cycling experience with a realistic road feel, power accuracy, and the most software training options. When in ERG mode, aside from those issues, the NEO Bike performed as expected. You are my last hope. Wahoo Kickr Core $1169.10. Ive already covered shifter feel and the gamification systems on offer, but how does the bike ride in a more training-based context? Announced about a month ago, this new smart trainer is essentially a repackaged JetBlack VOLT V2 trainer, but at a substantially lower price point than virtually every other direct drive trainer: $499.Most trainers with these specs tend to float in the $799-$999 price ballpark, thus Wahoo KICKR 2018/V5-2020. My bike needed a tune up and good cleaning anyway, so perfect! Now between this and the Elite Suito, its a tough call. It also folds up relatively small, though the lack of a handle is fairly awkward in the event youre trying to move it frequently and for long distances. Trainer vs smart indoor bikes, especially for a 196 cm tall and a 120 kg heavy rider like me? Even if you don't have a 4K TV, the 4K version has more powerful graphics than the base, worth the extra $30. Thanks for the quick reply and your valued opinion, i ordered the core . There is a fee for all collections, except for faulty products. It would be fantastic if there were a way to refurb the electronics so they function well given how good it still is mechanically, but as far as I can find there isnt, and that makes the mechanical reliability rather pointless to me as the end user. If I did own a 12 speed bike it would be by definition be my good bike and I would not use it on my trainer. Get up and riding quickly with KICKRs pre-installed 11-speed cassette, multiple axle configurations, convenient carrying handle, and tire size height adjustment. I use a 6036 rubber carpeted entry way mat. Reply So in some ways, the recommendations guide this year could read: Buy anything you can actually find. However, my wife and I both use the trainer, and would like to swap bikes back and forth. The NEO Bike does have the capacity to hold a tablet between the two fans, though. I dont have anything per se. I use Apple TV for Zwift the vast majority of the time, but also just for watching YouTube/Netflix/etc on the trainer. Selecteer de producten die jij wilt meebestellen. If in doubt, I *strongly* encourage you to e-mail the company in question and ask them about your specific bike and the specific trainer to validate compatibility. I would say Elites Suito also falls in this category since it doesnt have a power meter to begin with. 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