So his mother was living near the murder scene of Liz Stride with one of his daughters in an area where hed only moved away from in June, cuz he lived around the corner as well. Erik: I think here in the states that it might be similar to the JFK assassination case. People didnt want the notoriety associated with, with its, with it being called Bucks Road. Stride only had her throat cut.. And the Pinchin Street Torso, which Ive mentioned earlier. He is suspected by some as having been the infamous serial killer Jack the Ripper. In those days, people worked six day weeks. Michael Connor: 'Did The Ripper Work For Pickfords?'. And I described how she was found, a man called Robert Paul, who lived nearby. Yeah, the two, theres two different names for it. Thats the fluke. . Annie Chapman, the one before I, Ill just say she was left very brutally cut open and very much on display. And there is a connection between him and Mary Kelly as well that are found, cuz some people think that the culprit knew Mary Kelly for various reasons. He may have not said the words very clearly, may have muttered or mumbled. None of one said, oh yeah, I could tell Ive got blood cause I got blood on my hands afterwards. Nothing about another being wanted by another policeman and with a definite possibility that the woman wasnt just laying on the floor, but that she was dead, which put makes it negligent and Meison not taking his name and probably really should have made sure he went back with him to the scene of the incident. The doctor who came to the murder scene said there was only as much as you get in half a half a glass of wine. September 28, 2021, 11:09 AM. It used to be -arguably still is. The inquest where they turned up or where, where Lechmere turned up was on the Monday. And his job was a car man delivering those goods. Reverse. Basically. They were middle class pockets as well, but they, they, it had the largest concentration of lodging houses, which is where people would sleep when they didnt have a proper accommodation for themselves. Comment * document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a0ee21965acaf982db74eef999815b94" );document.getElementById("a66ed1ad9c").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); Enjoy the Podcast? Didnt fulfill his whole ritual, so went off to find another victim. Erik: So Ive done two episodes on Jack The Ripper before, but just in case there are people out there who havent heard them, dont remember, dont know who Jack the Ripper is or who, just would like a quick refresher. She was killed on a Saturday night. Good to clarify. The next one was Annie Chapman. Lechmere died in December 1920 at the age of seventy-one. With the newspapers competing with each other for a more and more sensationalized headline, but theyd also have news boys selling the newspaper by shouting out whatever the gory title would be. First hand witness until Charles Lechmere had a "broken home" growing up, having had two stepfathers and never knowing his real father. And the next witness to testify at the inquest was Lechmere. He came away, bumped into Liz Stride, killed her. And so the, so the theorizing isnt restricted to suspects. So she went to the Doss house and the person in charge the deputy, or the the second in command of it, actually not the person whos in charge of it, threw her out and said, look, you cant, unless you got your money, you cant stay here. They, they walk off down the road. Now, on the Sunday, there was a Sunday newspaper called Lloyds Weekly News, and they had a newspaper, a story, a scoop in their newspaper. mother. The, the documentary is also known as Jack the Ripper: the Missing Evidence depend. Anyway, in the 1861 census, Charles actually was about 11. That meant, that suggested that Lechmere was a messenger on behalf of a policeman running an errand for a policeman, telling another policeman that he is, wanted to go and help another officer, which is why PC Meison didnt bother getting his name. I believe 6&8 BL were under the L&BR viaduct on the right hand (E) side of the road in STGITE. Do you feel that sometimes that the number of suspects, theories, seem so vast? His Majesty is taller than his current wife Camilla, but was the same height as his ex-wife, Princess Diana. So they went over and there is Polly Nichols laying dead on the floor. The victim was killed in this place called Mitre Square. Prior to any major witness giving testimony at a murder . Edward: Not necessarily a fan geographic profiling, but when you find a culprit that thats been done like Bundy, a Bundy, an example, you could see how he drove about and went to different places and when he was at this town, there was murders there, different. My presumption is he had an apron and, and he just stuck it in a, in a pocket in there or something. Either of them turn up at the inquest? Charles was baptized on month day 1859, at baptism place. Thomas Cross filled or told the census enumerator that the children were called- he was told Charles Cross. Just because The Star qas the only paper to have published his address (that we know of) doesn't mean Lechmere didn't read hia address out in open court. We and our partners use cookies to Store and/or access information on a device.We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development.An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. So, to go back to your other question that was about where the, where the other, the other crimes. Could you summarize the case for us briefly? The name was made up by a new-. Stride was killed in proximity to his mother's house and in the area he grew up in; the locality in which Eddowes was murdered would have been well known to him, as it was on the logical route to Broad Street from at least one of his earlier addresses. The suggestion that he might actually be the Whitechapel Murderer was first raised by Derek Osborne in 2000 in an issue of the magazine Ripperana. Cause she was dead by then, which again suggests that when Lechmere and Paul were at the body, she was just very freshly killed. BORN IN SOHO The man formerly known as Charles Cross was born in the parish of St Ann's, Soho in 1849. Why would you wear an apron? Charles A Lechmere in England & Wales, Death Index, 1866-1920 & 1984-. view all Immediate Family. To the extent that witnesses become suspects as one grasps for straws. Hello all , Charles Allen Lechmere , Finally Vindicated , Proof . A car man is someone who is like a, a van driver now, a delivery person who, who used a horse and cart to make deliveries, parcels and stuff or goods. Charles Allen Lechmere (5 October 1849 - 23 December 1920), also known as Charles Cross, was a carman (cart driver) from the east side of London who apparently worked for the Pickfords company for more than 20 years. So this car man, whos and his inquest testimony is, yes sir. This, the policeman who came upon the crime scene while they were walking down the road was regarded as the first finder. From 1887 there was four torsos. Edward: Well, they can be quite with some people. And the, it appears there was thousands of people around there. Charles Cross IE Latchmere was THERE at the first murder - had the opportunity. Minutes at most and maybe even less. And it was Cross or Lechmere. Robert Paul, who was walking some distance behind, first noticed him standing 'where the woman was'; after he saw Paul, Lechmere brought him over to look at the woman. Some people would think when, when Robert Paul was coming up to him that he should have run away. Father of John Allen Lechmere; Emma Catherine Lechmere; Harriett Maria Lechmere; Jane Elizabeth Lechmere; Edwin Charles Lechmere and 1 other. 'Charles Cross' was long regarded as merely the innocent witness who discovered the body of Mary Ann Nichols, the first of the Ripper's five canonical victims, while on his way to work. After two years' research, I discovered that Charles Lechmere was my great, great grandfather! It forced him to break cover. She bigamously married a, a policeman called Thomas Cross and lived with him. 08-15-2012, 11:28 PM. You know, in the war when the Germans bomb the East End quite heavily there. But to come back to other aspects of the the blood evidence, the blood evidence, in my opinion, this is one of these moments of controversy, the fact that they didnt when subsequent witnesses came, such as Dr. Llywelyn and the policeman, they, so they saw more, more blood. Edward: Yeah. Sunday was the only day off. Charles Lechmere was born on 5 October 1849, in the Strand, Everyone have a docks stories about stealing stuff from the docks and stuff like that. The whole episode was forgotten until it was discovered by some amateur researchers in 2005 who determined that Cross had given a false name and that the mystery man's true identity was Charles Allen Lechmere. But there are other murders. But he could tell he was a car man and he said youre wanted by another policeman around the corner, theres a woman laying on the floor. Theres theories about all sorts of things which arent necessarily suspect related, if you saw what I mean. [9] So the stomach, which it was cut open, was not on display. But thats one of the objections that Lechmere should have run away. Individual, and, you know, many multiple people per a few pence per night is where you would stay if you had like an itinerant laborer or something like that, or you know, basically a doss or even a beggar who manage to beg a few pence. [19]. Lechmere married Elizabeth Bostock in 1870 and had eleven children, two of whom died young. And that was the same route that Robert Paul walked. Erik: Again, I have been speaking to Jack the Ripper expert, Edward Stow. Now, the next murder, Annie Chapman, was about a hundred yards from where Paul works. And then they went, then they both said, oh, were both late for work. Edward: Yes, it is. Charles passed away in month 1920, at age 71 at death place. And maybe a little bit more, maybe a few years, more than 10 years ago by people doing genealogical research and looking, because things like Ancestry, I dunno. To view the purposes they believe they have legitimate interest for, or to object to this data processing use the vendor list link below. And they left the body. That wouldve been the only night. For being negligent and all that sort of stuff. Started by Christer Holmgren, June 15, 2022, 03:18 PM. And thats the five. view all Charles Allen Lechmere's Timeline. Now, you might be wondering why Lechmere turned up at the inquest. He was the son of John Allen Lechmere and his mother's maiden name was Maria Louisa Roulson. He admitted that he had found the body first. I was a bit dubious of them all; indeed, I was probably a Kosminski advocate until CL showed up. So its not just a theory, necessarily a theory about a different suspect. Thanks for the comment, PC. Because car men wore aprons and its this incongruous detail. Shes actually a descendant of his. Im just researching at the moment. Yeah. You know, youve gotta think that hes a pretty good suspect there straight away for the, the case. The origins of the chain date to 1913, when Russian . Erik: Yeah, I found the maps very, very helpful. Charles Allen Lechmere (5 October 1849 - 23 December 1920), also known as Charles Cross, was a carman (cart driver) from the east side of London who apparently worked for the Pickfords company for more than 20 years. Other people refuse to believe that PC Meisen was right. Cause he, he pulled the dress down over the abdominal wings to cover them up. Latest Murder in Whitechapel, to sell papers. Not just the Jack the Ripper ones, but a whole range of other ones as well. So that, that, thats the main body of evidence. Used his Policeman step fathers name as a one off to avoid suspicion. And at the time I thought, this doesnt sound realistic, cuz theyre, theyre, theyre quite a poor family living in the East end to be a, you know, a hundred years before having a captain at, in the Battle of Trafalgar seems, seems a big drop in social standing sort of thing. And the other thing is with serial crime, the police are quite poor. Most people accept the five that I mentioned to start with, but there are others you can add or subtract, depending. Didnt come forward as a And he was brought up just by his mother until he was about eight or something, like about eight. I went around what remained of the Ripper sites in the mid sixties, and by god was it still a rough old place, The Roebuck Pub was on the corner of Bucks Row, and one swift light and bitter in there was enough to make you bid a hasty retreat, outside whilst on the rounds there was a Bedford van following a bloke carrying a blue plastic bucket as he cheerfully emptied the parking meters of sixpences! Ive, Ive had an interest in it, more superficial interest in it since I was a child, but I really got into it properly about 10, 10 years ago in, in detail, which was actually a consequence of my partner being interested in in her family, her family history, and always Googling her families, her different families, her uncle, you know, different names in her family. Michael Connor: 'Charles Cross Was Jack The Ripper'. You think, oh God, look at, thats why there was a pattern of murders there. Dark and gloomy streets, poorly lit streets. The next, theres two on one night Liz Stride and Catherine Eddowes. But he appeared as Charles Cross and not as Charles Lechmere. Now, my belief, my, my sort of view is that he stood over her head after strangling her, and she was on the floor, pulled her dress up, and then cut the stomach with the dress pulled up in front. It, it is a very argued over case. Its its just slightly strange. Thank you for inviting me. Oh no. The only reason the five are regarded as a group is because a policeman, some years later called Melville Macnaghten wrote a memorandum in which he, he he said there was just those five and the others werent part of the sequence, but other policemen who were, he wasnt actually even working at Scotland Yard at the time of the murders, but he had access to the files. And given the fact he had this strange meet and greet with Paul, given the fact that he gave a false name to the inquest, given the fact they had a dispute with PC Meison and almost made it straight after, given the fact that he only came forward as a result of Pauls newspaper story. So you have a very personal connection to all of this. So no ones ever shown all the different places where the Rainham torso, different bits of the Rainham torso. It was about an hour and a half earlier than any other murders. Hed come forward and sold his, probably sold his story to the newspaper, which put Lechmere in a bad position, made him come forward. His parents married in 1846 in Hereford. The other one, not the Missing Link, the Missing Evidence, Erik: Jack The Ripper: the New Evidence. [15] in which Lechmere is linked not only to the Whitechapel Murders, but also to the longer series of killings known as the Its often regarded as the beginning of the sensationalization of newspaper stories to sell. But some people think that they were two unconnected murders, which just doesnt make sense to me. Often it depends on who your suspect is. Youre wanted by another officer around the corner because theres a woman laying in the street and they brought someone in who had been, who was waiting in the corridor, and they said, is that the person who said that to you? Headstone kindly donated by members of the Lechmere family. She had abdominal wounds, but then they were, the dress as say, was up to just below her waist. So she was confident of being able to go off, total off down the street, half drunk in the middle of the night, and earn her money again and come back and she staggered off down the road. And then the next interesting thing, Is that part of Catherine Eddowes apron was found in a doorway along with some graffiti. Edward: Was that with Tom Wescott both times or did you do one with Tom Wescott? So clearly the, the ripper had left it there after killing Catherine Eddowes. Thank you for joining me. Its quite famous this, it said The Jews are the men that will not be blamed for nothing. But it can, it is, it is a very bitchy, a very bitchy world. And theres bodies of evidence they can get and track down to find out who did it. Charles A Lechmere was born circa 1849. Is indicative that it was slowly oozing and flowing out of her body through sort of gravity primarily. Thats why there was a pattern of murders there because of his movements. And I think thats why it was quite soon after the, the two murders were quite soon after each other. Edward: Well, its on, its on YouTube. 19 years. So what happened was, in the early hours in the morning, on the 31st of August, 1888, Polly Nichols, who was a street prostitute, basically, not to sugarcoat it, she was drunk. They were a business working at a station called Broad Street Station, which was a big good station. But a normal person would probably think that you should run away, but thats because a normal person isnt the psychopathic serial killer, and so they cant put it into the mind of what they were doing. Holmgren notes that So that means that Meison, according to Meison, Lechmere lied to him to tell him he was wanted by a policeman around the corner. Robert Paul was coming home from work on the night of the murder down Bucks Road and somehow, The Lloyds journalist collared him and got a story out of him and found out that actually they had found the body first, but Lloyd sat on this story because they didnt publish until Sunday. They called him Cross at the time. Actually, bigamously because she had, her husband was still alive. It is therefore speculated that Lechmere may have murdered Nichols and begun mutilating her body when he suddenly heard the sound of Paul's footsteps; he then rapidly pulled down her clothing to cover up her wounds and portrayed himself as the discoverer of the body. I, I havent done an episode for a couple of weeks because Im doing one on the first of these torsos that I was telling you about, which requires quite a lot of extra research and visiting the locations where the bit different bits of the body parts cuz a torso, yeah, youd get part the abdomen here, a thigh there, a leg there. So there was no blood that had oozed out at that stage. If he didnt do it, you know, he walked past her, her dead body while she was laying dead in her flat, in a little flat that she had. Thats all he said. So its a bit of a strange situation. They, they, they, they get tunnel vision. I understand that blood would not have been jetting out of her neck if she had been strangled prior to having her throat cut, but to cut the throat so deeply that the head was almost removed, I have to think that would have still been a messy job. Lechmere's childhood was also characterized by instability of residence, as he was raised in a series of different homes. Can I take it you have a possible proprietor in mind? That was in April of 1888. But while they were away, another policeman found the body a policeman called PC Neil. But so the Jack the Ripper murders were those five. Erik: So, Charles Lemere, what connection does he have to the case? Whoever did it, did it quite cleanly as far as blood is concerned. I am 75 now and have followed this case since a boy, when my old man showed me an article in the then New of the World or the like! I, I tend to think it was probably, theres a good, good argument that it was a genuine letter and was from the culprit. Edward: And thats how I got into it. Such is the case with Charles Allen Lechmere or, to use the name that he is better known under - Charles Cross. Its the only case where someones been seen alone by victim before raising the alarm. Mary Ann "Polly" Nichols lying next to a gateway. [15] Given this data, Holmgren argues Lechmere is the most plausible suspect for the Ripper murders. Charles Fox Lechmere. He was one, he, he, he is one of the first characters that we meet in the story of the murder of Polly Nichols, but under the name Charles Cross. Its not called Bucks Road now, its called Durward Street. He lied at the inquest as well. 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